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Re: [Dillo-dev]BR taking extra space and problem with spaces in table

From: Sebastian Geerken <s.geerken@pi...> - 2002-12-30 10:25

A happy outcome is worth waiting for :-)

On Fri, Jun 28, Pekka Lampila wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:13:23 +0200
> Sebastian Geerken <sgeerken@st...> wrote:
> > In this case, multiple <br>'s would not be rendered properly. A
> > solution may be to examine if this is the first <br> in series (by
> > looking if there are DW_CONTENT_BREAK's before), but for my taste,
> > this is somehow too hackish. (Other opinions?)
> 
> It's should work and is certainly better than the current situation.
> So in my opinion, that kind of fix should be committed.

Since most browsers do so, and it is rather simple, and does not break
anything (AFAIK), I've comitted it.

Sebastian 



[Dillo-dev]*** IMPORTANT ***

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-19 22:35

***************************
* *
* I M P O R T A N T ! *
* *
***************************


Hi there,

Don't let this pass or you'll miss the boat!

After thoughtful considerations about our site's facilities,
I've decided to move dillo project to the wearlab in Germany.

That is:
- web site
- bug track
- downloads
- CVS
- mailing lists

i.e. everything.

The good news is that everything is already set and working!

Well, except for the mailing lists. I lost control of the
current one a long long time ago when James administered it. So,
please go to the new site and SUBSCRIBE YOURSELVES into the new
mailing list (follow the links).

(You may also want to unsubscribe from the current one.)

We'll be running from there tomorrow, so please do it now and
report any troubles you may find.

I've updated several things. Most notably, the project Notes
and the HTML versions for CSS and Dpi.

The site is:

http://dillo.auriga.wearlab.de


Good luck!
Jorge.-

PS: Update your bookmarks. 



[Dillo-dev]Dillo website statistics

From: Eduardo Marcel Macan <macan@co...> - 2002-12-19 11:53

Hello! The folks that take care of the particular machine where dillo
was hosted just told me that the website stats are up again.

Cipsga hosts many free software sites and projects, a lot of them
projects from the CIPSGA group themselves. Many of these services=20
and sites were changing servers due to administrative issues,=20
that included the dillo website, although they tried to make this=20
change transparent it seems that some little corners were yet to=20
be rounded :D

It is (i think) completely operational now.

Regards :)

--=20
Eduardo Marcel Ma=E7an Gerente de Redes / Network Manager
macan@co... Col=E9gio Bandeirantes 



Re: [Dillo-dev]CIPSGA CVS

From: Eduardo Marcel Macan <macan@co...> - 2002-12-17 19:10

Well, it is not *that* difficult, now that my personal life is
kind of stable again, I have root access in some CIPSGA
machines and know who to poke when I don't :) Feel free to mail me
personally, since I do not follow this list daily.

I'll take a look at it.

Em Ter, 2002-11-26 =E0s 12:16, Jorge Arellano Cid escreveu:
>=20
> Hi guys!
>=20
> The CIPSGA CVS server is running. Just follow the [CVS] link!
>=20
> I'm also considering to move our mailing list to CIPSGA. BTW
> there're two lists for us already set. The only fact that makes
> me hesitate is that contacting a sysadmin there is hard as hell.
> For instance, our site statistics are down for more than a month,
> and ASFAIK it's a matter of restarting the http server, but
> that requires a sysadmin...
>=20
> The main gain in moving the mailing list is to get another
> web interface for it (more easily searchable/browseable), and we
> need it.
>=20
> The other alternative is to wait some meetings I'm having with
> the "Universidad de Chile" to prosper, and set the lists from
> there in a server I can see&touch with my hands!
>=20
> What do you think of it?
>=20
>=20
> Cheers
> Jorge.-
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[Dillo-dev]Re: Dillo

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-17 13:37

Martin,


> Just mailing to say thanks for working on Dillo - it's great :-)
> Recently upgraded to a machine with 256Mb RAM running Debian and was
> rather shocked at quite how much memory Mozilla used - it's pretty but
> I'm not sure that it's worth the memory and dillo runs _much_ faster
> <vbg>.

Thanks for the recognition!

IMHO, dillo makes a different browsing experience. It lets you
grab information so quickly, that making quick online research is
possible (you may like to read the project objectives).


> Given one of my next tasks is to resurrect a pair of Sun SLCs to
> work as simple web browsers I think Dillo is my only realistic choice.
> One little question (and if I wasn't buried alive under coursework I'd
> try it myself) are you going to support several pages within the same
> window - I found the tabs feature in Opera and then Mozilla really handy
> for fast browsing - is it likely to appear in Dillo?

Very likely.

Arvind already has a prototype patch for tabs, and we're
working on the details. We don't want to hurry it, but at least
now you know that somewhere in the world, in a certain machine
dillo has tabs!

> Keep up the good work :-)

We are trying as hard as we can.


Cheers
Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]BUG#339

From: Melvin Hadasht <melvin.hadasht@fr...> - 2002-12-17 13:34

Hi Jorge,

on Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:00:27 -0300 (CLST)
Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> wrote:

> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Can anyone reproduce BUG#339?
> 
> Jorge.-


This bug could *not* be triggered in cvs 0.7.0pre from 14 Dec 2002
Linux 2.4.19
gcc 2.95.4
libc 2.2.5
gtk 1.2.10

Bye


-- 
Melvin Hadasht 



[Dillo-dev]BUG#339

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-17 13:04

Hi there!

Can anyone reproduce BUG#339?

Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]Dillo is great! (fwd)

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-17 13:04

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:03:49 +0100
From: Michael Mayer <michael-mayer@gm...>
To: jcid@so...
Subject: Dillo is great!

Hello out there!

This morning I read a short note about dillo and I'am really enthusiastic
about it. I like compact coding and am really impressed by its speed: Very
good work, thank you!

I will use it as much as possible and I hope that I will find some time to
have a look inside it. The most important thing I'am missing are more
keyboard shortcuts. But even without this feature: I like it very much.

Michael 



[Dillo-dev]Dillo (fwd)

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-17 13:04

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:23:27 +0000
From: *** <stu@sp...>
To: jcid@so...
Subject: Dillo

Hello

First of all, wow really a neat browser!

And it works just fine!! I'm using Vector Linux 2.0
with 16 megs of RAM, and an old Cirrus Logic
video card, and it does just fine!

I tried Netscape.....I could retire if I had to load more than
one graphic per page (turtle slow), I tried the Lynx Browser
I can do it, but I would have to RElearn how to do stuff, and
I did do it and can if need be.

However, by chance I came across your website and browser
and just had to give it a try! And it is eXactly what I needed!!

thanks a bunch!!

Stu Wilcox
Madisonville, KY 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Dillo and MIME types (2)

From: Lars Clausen <lrclause@cs...> - 2002-12-10 18:13

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Thomas Heute wrote:
>=20
> Sorry to bother,
>=20
> i still didn't fix my problem, what i'd like to do is to be able to click
> on a jar file in Dillo and open an external file with that Jar file as
> parameter.
>=20
> Or click on a PDF and launch any specified external PDF reader.
>=20
> Is there actually a way to do that, i don't think PI is my solution.

I made a patch a while ago that uses the /etc/mailcap file to find
readers. It's not the best way to do it, for several reasons, but it kinda
works. See http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause/dillo-patchomatic (which is
in severe need of updating).

Eventually there should be a chooser thing that reads the mailcap file
(lazily) and remembers choices, and the actual handling should prolly be
done via DPI.

-Lars

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"I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------=
----
will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and
--Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas=
ket? 



[Dillo-dev]Dillo and MIME types (2)

From: Thomas Heute <thomas.heute@ni...> - 2002-12-10 17:03

Sorry to bother,

i still didn't fix my problem, what i'd like to do is to be able to click on 
a jar file in Dillo and open an external file with that Jar file as parameter.

Or click on a PDF and launch any specified external PDF reader.

Is there actually a way to do that, i don't think PI is my solution.

Thanks for your work.

Thomas. 



Re: [Dillo-dev]dpi bookmarks plugin

From: Ben Woolley <ben@ta...> - 2002-12-08 13:27

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Jorge,

> > I just tried out the dpi1 bookmarks plugin, and I really like the concept.
>
> Thanks!
>
> I've only received a couple of tiny comments that kept me
> somewhat clueless about how it was understood/received.
>
> I know it's not easy to grasp and certainly studying it
> requires some time, but as for your comments, it looks as though
> you've got it right!
>

It seems like a graceful method, and quite powerful (especially when
listening on tcp). Just for fun, my brother and I wrote a shell script
that used netcat to alter our bookmarks from remote computers (I know,
you already have a solution for that, which is why I didn't bring it up
before)

By the way, what is your IP? ;)

>
> > But I started wondering if someone could take advantage of a dpi URL to do
> > something improper.
> >
> > <html>
> > <body>
> > <a href="dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.">test</a>
> > <img src="dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit." alt="test image">
> > </body>
> > </html>
> >
> > When I load that page, not only does the image alter my bookmarks, when I
> > click on the link the window closes (after altering my bookmarks). This
> > seems to be an issue similar to what is discussed in the HTTP 1.1 spec
> > section 15.1.3.
>
> Yes, I understand the issue.
>

I knew that you would. I am sure that developing a web browser makes one
familiar with the spec. I just posted the numbers for reference, and
more to prove that _I_ understood the issue. :)

> > Can POST data be sent instead? Section 9.5 says that POST should be used
> > for "extending a database through an append operation", which is what the
> > plugin actually does.
> >
> > Perhaps the plugin should check for a proper referral from
> > dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url&submit=submit. before modifying
> > anything.
>
> Yes, POST could eventually be added...
>

I actually really like the idea of borrowing the distinction between GET
and POST from HTTP. Web developers are already familiar with it. You could
also have configuration options that restrict dpi executions, but that may
just end up being bloat.

> > [snip]

> >
> > Do you already have some sort of plan for this issue?
>
> I recognize that when designing it, I thought that having the
> dpis running locally would cut "in gross" all of those problems.
>
> After reading your email, I kept thinking about it, and two
> ideas remained:
>
> 1.- Only allow a dpi url from dpi-generated pages.
> 2.- Add a dpi command that asks the dpi-server for a key, and
> then use it to acknowledge permissions.
>
> The first is the easiest to implement, it just requires a check
> before allowing the dpi command to be issued. Is not even
> necessary to modify the protocol! (and in the event of a user
> longing to make a custom page, accessed as file, that uses dpi
> url references, it may then be served from an elementary dpi
> program).
>
> The second option is more cumbersome, and requires two actions,
> the key request, and including it in the dpi tag.
>

#1 had crossed my mind. Perhaps you could specify a standard URL argument
that would tell the plugin that the request was referred from an outside
source, and that the plugin should treat it like a typical GET request and
not do anything special. Dillo would only allow those URLs to execute
plugins from outside. For example:
<a href="dpi:/mb/?submit=outside">Check your Dillo bookmarks</a>

You could also just limit dpi execution to URLs with _no_ arguments, and
specify that plugins should be written to expect that.

Anyway, I want to let you know that my brother and I test all of our web
work in Dillo. I use it regularly, even on fast computers.

Laters,

Ben Woolley
http://ben.tautology.org
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Re: [Dillo-dev]dpi bookmarks plugin

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-07 13:59

Madis,

> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
>
> > I recognize that when designing it, I thought that having the
> > dpis running locally would cut "in gross" all of those problems.
> >
> > After reading your email, I kept thinking about it, and two
> > ideas remained:
> >
> > 1.- Only allow a dpi url from dpi-generated pages.
> > 2.- Add a dpi command that asks the dpi-server for a key, and
> > then use it to acknowledge permissions.
> >
> > The first is the easiest to implement, it just requires a check
> > before allowing the dpi command to be issued. Is not even
> > necessary to modify the protocol! (and in the event of a user
> > longing to make a custom page, accessed as file, that uses dpi
> > url references, it may then be served from an elementary dpi
> > program).
> >
> > The second option is more cumbersome, and requires two actions,
> > the key request, and including it in the dpi tag.
>
> keep it stupid, simple ;)

BTW, I use Slackware!!!

>
> As i have understand, there are two types of dpi plugins -
> protocol/mime handler plugins (like ftp://, https://, downloader) and
> "feature" plugins (like bookmarks plugin). The second type uses dpi://
> protocol in url. Is there any good reason, why links from non-dpi pages
> to dpi:// pages should be allowed?

The only one I've thought of was described above, and as the
solution is quite simple, I don't see any good reason to allow
links from non-dpi pages to dpi:// urls anymore.

Does anyone see another reason?


Cheers
Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]dpi bookmarks plugin

From: madis <madis@cy...> - 2002-12-07 13:01

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:

> I recognize that when designing it, I thought that having the
> dpis running locally would cut "in gross" all of those problems.
> 
> After reading your email, I kept thinking about it, and two
> ideas remained:
> 
> 1.- Only allow a dpi url from dpi-generated pages.
> 2.- Add a dpi command that asks the dpi-server for a key, and
> then use it to acknowledge permissions.
> 
> The first is the easiest to implement, it just requires a check
> before allowing the dpi command to be issued. Is not even
> necessary to modify the protocol! (and in the event of a user
> longing to make a custom page, accessed as file, that uses dpi
> url references, it may then be served from an elementary dpi
> program).
> 
> The second option is more cumbersome, and requires two actions,
> the key request, and including it in the dpi tag.

keep it stupid, simple ;)

As i have understand, there are two types of dpi plugins - 
protocol/mime handler plugins (like ftp://, https://, downloader) and 
"feature" plugins (like bookmarks plugin). The second type uses dpi:// 
protocol in url. Is there any good reason, why links from non-dpi pages 
to dpi:// pages should be allowed?

-- 
mzz 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Dillo on NanoGtk

From: Richard Tseng <rtseng@em...> - 2002-12-07 07:40

Attachments: Message as HTML      

Hi Mabo,
We are developer of NanoGtk. Could you post your dillo port, so that we can
have a look at it ? Great job on porting Dillo to NanoGTK/mips !!
Richard Tseng
Emsoft Limited
http://www.emsoftltd.com
----- Original Message -----
From: 马波
To: dillo-dev@li...
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: [Dillo-dev]Dillo on NanoGtk


Hi, all

Our team just ported Dillo from x86/X/Gtk+ to mips/NanoX/NanoGtk,
everything went fine except scrolling, that is, when we browse a large page,
we got scrollbars, but once I drag and drop the scrollbar, the page turns
into chaos immediately. However, if I scrolled the page by using PageUP and
PageDown buttons, everything is Ok.
It looks like something goes wrong with the screen refreshment, which
is to say, if you post too many screen-updating request by scrolling the
page with scrollbar, the underlying refresh-request queue handler (NanoGDK?)
just cannot fulfil its responsibilities, while if the request is moderate,
the handler can manage it.
So, based on the observation and my conjecture, I dived into NanoGtk and
tried to resolve this problem:

1.Scrolling request is sent by gtk_scrolled_window_set_vadjustment
function
2.gtk_scrolled_window_adjustment_changed is the scrolling signal handler,
and it adds the window need to scrolling, scrolled_win, to resize queue by
calling gtk_widget_queue_resize
3.For a Container (Gtkscrolledwindow is a container)，the resizing handler
is gtk_container_clear_resize_widgets
5.BUT, this function just mark the container with GTK_PRIVATE_UNSET_FLAG
(widget, GTK_RESIZE_NEEDED); and do nothing more!

I was lost!!

So, I came up with the second solution: Change the
Adjustment->step_increment to Adjustment->page_increment, but it seems
doesn't work also!

Who can help me!

mabo





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[Dillo-dev]Dillo (fwd)

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-06 23:56

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:23:27 +0000
From: *** <stu@sp...>
To: jcid@so...
Subject: Dillo

Hello

First of all, wow really a neat browser!

And it works just fine!! I'm using Vector Linux 2.0
with 16 megs of RAM, and an old Cirrus Logic
video card, and it does just fine!

I tried Netscape.....I could retire if I had to load more than
one graphic per page (turtle slow), I tried the Lynx Browser
I can do it, but I would have to RElearn how to do stuff, and
I did do it and can if need be.

However, by chance I came across your website and browser
and just had to give it a try! And it is eXactly what I needed!!

thanks a bunch!!

Stu Wilcox
Madisonville, KY 



Re: [Dillo-dev]dpi bookmarks plugin

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@so...> - 2002-12-06 23:56

Ben,

> I just tried out the dpi1 bookmarks plugin, and I really like the concept.

Thanks!

I've only received a couple of tiny comments that kept me
somewhat clueless about how it was understood/received.

I know it's not easy to grasp and certainly studying it
requires some time, but as for your comments, it looks as though
you've got it right!


> But I started wondering if someone could take advantage of a dpi URL to do
> something improper.
>
> <html>
> <body>
> <a href="dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.">test</a>
> <img src="dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit." alt="test image">
> </body>
> </html>
>
> When I load that page, not only does the image alter my bookmarks, when I
> click on the link the window closes (after altering my bookmarks). This
> seems to be an issue similar to what is discussed in the HTTP 1.1 spec
> section 15.1.3.

Yes, I understand the issue.

> Can POST data be sent instead? Section 9.5 says that POST should be used
> for "extending a database through an append operation", which is what the
> plugin actually does.
>
> Perhaps the plugin should check for a proper referral from
> dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url&submit=submit. before modifying
> anything.

Yes, POST could eventually be added...


> Perhaps change:
> <dpi
> cmd='open_url'
> url='dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.'
> >
> to:
> <dpi
> cmd='open_url'
> url='dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.'
> ref='dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url&submit=submit.'
> >
> or:
> <dpi
> cmd='open_url'
> url='dpi:/bm/modify'
> post='operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.'
> >
> or even:
> <dpi
> cmd='open_url'
> url='dpi:/bm/modify'
> ref='dpi:/bm/modify?operation=add_url&submit=submit.'
> post='operation=add_url2&title=home&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome&submit=submit.'
> >
>
> Do you already have some sort of plan for this issue?

I recognize that when designing it, I thought that having the
dpis running locally would cut "in gross" all of those problems.

After reading your email, I kept thinking about it, and two
ideas remained:

1.- Only allow a dpi url from dpi-generated pages.
2.- Add a dpi command that asks the dpi-server for a key, and
then use it to acknowledge permissions.

The first is the easiest to implement, it just requires a check
before allowing the dpi command to be issued. Is not even
necessary to modify the protocol! (and in the event of a user
longing to make a custom page, accessed as file, that uses dpi
url references, it may then be served from an elementary dpi
program).

The second option is more cumbersome, and requires two actions,
the key request, and including it in the dpi tag.

HTH.

Cheers
Jorge.-