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Re: [Dillo-dev]Sourceforge

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@hu...> - 2000-04-24 19:15

Hello World!


First, I'd really appreciate feedback on my ematic.com email address,
but I still don't know if it is world reachable.
(If you can't deliver there, use jcid@ma... instead).


On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 bigdaddy@ll... wrote:

> I noticed that dillo is only using about 30% of all the sourceforge
> resources that it could.

Excellent, if you feel like updating it...

> I.E. - The there is no webpage at http://dillo.so....net

I wish it to be a mirror rather than a URL redirection.
I'll keep the bug track engine and the primary site in the new server
(dillo.inf.utfsm.cl) and use sourceforge to handle heavy network traffic
(downloads and home page).

> The ftp on sourceforge is very outdated.

Update it, no problem (please delete the old tarball)

> The CVS hasn't been updated in a while

Not first priority. If updated, it would work as a checkout only.


> I think it might be a good idea to update the sourceforge stuff. It might
> help to bring more developers into the project.

Thanks, please contact James and ask him the SW permissions to do that.
It would be nice to announce the project in sourceforge news too...
Please remember that this is a DEVELOPER's release. Not for USERS.

> Switching over to sourceforge's bugtracking might not be a bad idea, but
> since we already have an engine for that (though last time I checked it
> wasn't working) it is not a high priority.

The bug-track is healthy and working, check it at:

http://dillo.inf.utfsm.cl/

(it is was designed for this project, so we'll keep it)



Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]Sourceforge

From: <bigdaddy@ll...> - 2000-04-24 01:45

I noticed that dillo is only using about 30% of all the sourceforge
resources that it could.
I.E. - The there is no webpage at http://dillo.so....net
The ftp on sourceforge is very outdated.
The CVS hasn't been updated in a while
So on, and so forth.
I think it might be a good idea to update the sourceforge stuff. It might
help to bring more developers into the project.
At a minimum- make a re-direct on the dillo.so....net page to the
real homepage, and update the ftp tarball. 
Switching over to sourceforge's bugtracking might not be a bad idea, but
since we already have an engine for that (though last time I checked it
wasn't working) it is not a high priority.

Does anybody else have any thoughts?

-Mark

"You can't get a blue screen on a black and white monitor." 



Re: [Dillo-dev]ematic.com

From: <bigdaddy@ll...> - 2000-04-22 21:28

If this gets to you, then no ;-)

-Mark

"You can't get a blue screen on a black and white monitor."

On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone experienced trouble sending mail to jcid@em...?
> 
> 
> Jorge.-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dillo-dev mailing list
> Dillo-dev@li...
> http://lists.so....net/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev
> 



[Dillo-dev]ematic.com

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-21 18:19

Hi,

Has anyone experienced trouble sending mail to jcid@em...?


Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]New server

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@hu...> - 2000-04-20 14:25

Hi!


Just finished moving the web site!

Take a look at: http://dillo.inf.utfsm.cl/


Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]Progress

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-20 01:44

Hello crew!

The new server is almost set; just need to recompile the CGIs
and it will be ready!

The cache rewrite is in progress, I just finished writing a
whole new IO engine; the cache will be based on it, and the rest
of Dillo will use the cache API.

Please remember that after that's done, and the CPU hogging
problem is fixed, we'll make a freshmeat announce!


Regards
Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]Current tarball

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-13 03:30

Hi!


You can get the latest tarball at

http://academico.inf.utfsm.cl:81/~jcid/Dillo/d010a7.tgz

(This is not a release yet; just some patches and progress trying
to overcome the CPU-hogging bug)


Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]CPU Hogging

From: <greslin@li...> - 2000-04-12 13:34

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 09:12:28AM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> Ps: If you want to get a tarball with what's currently done, let
> me know, just to put it online.

Yes, please do.


-- 
Rob Warren

email: greslin@li...
homepage: http://www.iag.net/~aleris

GXAnim: http://www.iag.net/~aleris/gxanim.html
The Canvas Project: canvas.linuxpower.org
OpenLaw DVD FAQ: http://www.cssfaq.org 



[Dillo-dev]CPU Hogging

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-12 13:21

Hello list!

Greetings to the new members, and to the old ones!

Some news from current project-status:

I've been working with the CPU-hogging problem, and after
fixing several things here and there (dns.c, socket.c, http.c,
IO.c, IO.h, web.c, cache.c...), it's a decision: I'll rewrite the
cache module.

The cache module is split among several different parts in the
code, and integrated in a subtle way with some others. Getting
the idea of the data flow (and the algorithms) becomes a titanic
task, and maintenance is almost impossible. Ah, and it's broken!

Now I'm working on it, and when its done: a new tarball will be
released. After that, we'll set dillo.so....net to be a
mirror of our main site, and I'll make a freshmeat announce "urbi
et orbi". 

The new site server is almost ready. Just need to move the
database and the bug-track engine there...

If you feel like patching dillo, please focus on the rendering
part for now; the low level routines are under heavy
reconstruction.


Best regards
Jorge.-



Ps: If you want to get a tarball with what's currently done, let
me know, just to put it online.
Ps2: Don't use the CVS now, it's outdated, and when we get it
sync. it will serve as a checkout only. 



[Dillo-dev]CPU hogging (part 1)

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@me...> - 2000-04-05 14:27

Hi,

I just fixed the short CPU hogging that happened when waiting 
for a DNS query. (Look bug #50 in the bug-track).
This doesn't mean that the whole CPU hogging problem is solved. Our
mailing-list-archives-link still hogs the CPU (And forever).
I'll focus on that now.

Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: <greslin@li...> - 2000-04-04 21:25

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:41:45PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> [Rob said]
> > Right now I'm far more concerned about this runaway CPU usage. Dillo compiled
> > great out of the box, and it looks good and stable. But after only calling up
> > a page or two, it started grabbing 98% of my CPU. This is absolutely unacceptable.
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea what is causing this? I assume Dillo is using a
> > threading system of some kind; could this be the problem?
> 
> OK, I've been workink on that.
> It is NOT the threading system!
> Actually, what causes the problem is URL redirection. If you hit a
> redirected URL, the CPU will be hogged.

I don't buy this. I've tried calling up my own web page at:

http://www.iag.net/~aleris

and sometimes it causes CPU hogging, sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't seem to be
tied into the threading system at this point; I disabled threading support and
it still happens. Somewhere there is a piece of code that drops into a nearly
infinite loop or something. I suspect it is somewhere in the vicinity of the DNS
resolution code but I can't prove it yet.



> 
> > Before we get too deep in making it pretty, we need to improve the infrastructure.
> > The alternative is to end up with Netscape Communicator. :(
> 
> Yes man, I agree.
> Have you figured out the whole mess that we had before this release?
> 
> Well, technically talking I've been studying the problem and almost
> every problem comes from the IO engine change. It behaves asynchronously
> but, it was struggled-in without the minimal considerations about that
> kind of processing. I mean, several critical races were introduced and
> it was merged with the former (streamed) implementatiom. Frankly I'm not
> sure now if trying to fix it, or plainly rewriting it.

The latter may be a better idea. This code is a mess, and we'll end up
spending more time trying to figure the code out than we will fixing it.
We should probably aim at a gradual rewrite of the browser itself before
we start shoehorning new features into the current architecture.


Rob Warren

email: greslin@li...
homepage: http://www.iag.net/~aleris

GXAnim: http://www.iag.net/~aleris/gxanim.html
The Canvas Project: canvas.linuxpower.org
OpenLaw DVD FAQ: http://www.cssfaq.org 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: <greslin@li...> - 2000-04-04 18:39

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 02:41:45PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> Rob,
> 
> 
> > I'm getting it through Sourceforge.
> 
> But you checked our site in the academico server, right?

Yes, I have. It's just that I'm working through SF for other projects; this
is more convenient for me.

> 
> > Do me a favor; could you go ahead and
> > clear me as a developer? 
> 
> Sorry (my poor english), what do you mean?

Go to Sourceforge and indicate to their systems that "Greslin" is one of
your developers. This will give me update access to the CVS tree.


> > Right now I'm far more concerned about this runaway CPU usage. Dillo compiled
> > great out of the box, and it looks good and stable. But after only calling up
> > a page or two, it started grabbing 98% of my CPU. This is absolutely unacceptable.
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea what is causing this? I assume Dillo is using a
> > threading system of some kind; could this be the problem?
> 
> OK, I've been workink on that.
> It is NOT the threading system!
> Actually, what causes the problem is URL redirection. If you hit a
> redirected URL, the CPU will be hogged.

I'll tinker with it when I get time.


-- 
Rob Warren

email: greslin@li...
homepage: http://www.iag.net/~aleris

GXAnim: http://www.iag.net/~aleris/gxanim.html
The Canvas Project: canvas.linuxpower.org
OpenLaw DVD FAQ: http://www.cssfaq.org 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@in...> - 2000-04-04 18:33

Rob,


> I'm getting it through Sourceforge.

But you checked our site in the academico server, right?

> Do me a favor; could you go ahead and
> clear me as a developer? 

Sorry (my poor english), what do you mean?

> Right now I'm far more concerned about this runaway CPU usage. Dillo compiled
> great out of the box, and it looks good and stable. But after only calling up
> a page or two, it started grabbing 98% of my CPU. This is absolutely unacceptable.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what is causing this? I assume Dillo is using a
> threading system of some kind; could this be the problem?

OK, I've been workink on that.
It is NOT the threading system!
Actually, what causes the problem is URL redirection. If you hit a
redirected URL, the CPU will be hogged.

> Before we get too deep in making it pretty, we need to improve the infrastructure.
> The alternative is to end up with Netscape Communicator. :(

Yes man, I agree.
Have you figured out the whole mess that we had before this release?

Well, technically talking I've been studying the problem and almost
every problem comes from the IO engine change. It behaves asynchronously
but, it was struggled-in without the minimal considerations about that
kind of processing. I mean, several critical races were introduced and
it was merged with the former (streamed) implementatiom. Frankly I'm not
sure now if trying to fix it, or plainly rewriting it.

The cache system integrates with the IO and it is also obscure :-(
I still can't find a clear way of using it and handling close and abort
requests the way it should be so, basically I'm studying the code now
to try to find whether to heavily fix it or to change it.
As a matter of fact, this would not be the first module rewrite in the
project.

If you suggest me an IRC channel now, 
no problem to meet you there.


Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: <greslin@li...> - 2000-04-04 16:59

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 09:33:08AM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> Rob,
> 
> First of all, welcome aboard!
> You were the first to answer the announce, and I already saw
> you in the mailing list!
> I know our server was down for a couple of hours (or more?),
> but it is working now! Please let me know if you were able to
> reach it.

I'm getting it through Sourceforge. Do me a favor; could you go ahead and
clear me as a developer? 


> > I'm a C programmer, familiar with GTK and application development. I currently
> > maintain GXAnim (GTK frontend to XAnim movie player) and am very slowly working
> > on the Canvas Project, another video-related project. In my spare time I
> > work with the Open File Sharing Initiative (napster-esque file transfer) and do
> > quite a bit of work with the Openlaw DVD forum at Harvard Law.
> 
> Perfect, GUIs and some networking!
> May a suggest you take a look at Dillo widget bugs?
> We are very concerned of the small pages rendering bug.

Right now I'm far more concerned about this runaway CPU usage. Dillo compiled
great out of the box, and it looks good and stable. But after only calling up
a page or two, it started grabbing 98% of my CPU. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Does anyone have any idea what is causing this? I assume Dillo is using a
threading system of some kind; could this be the problem?

Before we get too deep in making it pretty, we need to improve the infrastructure.
The alternative is to end up with Netscape Communicator. :(



Rob Warren

email: greslin@li...
homepage: http://www.iag.net/~aleris

GXAnim: http://www.iag.net/~aleris/gxanim.html
The Canvas Project: canvas.linuxpower.org
OpenLaw DVD FAQ: http://www.cssfaq.org 



Re: [Dillo-dev]bug - incomplete rendering of html

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-04 13:42

Sammy,

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, nightstalker wrote:

> i have noticed something about this bug (reading small html files can
> result in incomplete displays .. workaround is to hit reload :)

Just sometimes. You may have to resize the window or go back
and forward to fix the display.
This is a Dillo-Widget bug.
I think its due to initialization problems. If you look at it
in detail, you'll notice that sometimes, a gray square renders on
top of the page (try loading a small image for instance), and
that its height is exactly the same of the whole set of toolbars.
Some other times, small HTML pages "appear" with an upward
shift...


> i first ran dillo with the 'nstalkie' user who uses the Aqua gtk-theme.
> the bug occured. Then i ran dillo with the 'progs' user who
> uses the Cheese gtk-theme. The bug
> also occured BUT in a different way. i had to press reload twice in
> order to view the whole page.

Yes, what we have here is not a single thread problem but an
asynchronous race condition. That explains the variations. If you
try it several times, with different CPU loads for instance, you
may notice diferences with the same gtk-theme.


Jorge.- 



[Dillo-dev]Re: tarball location, etc.

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-04 13:42

James,

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, James McCollough wrote:

> hey -
> 
> Sourceforge has webspace for us at dillo.so....net. Could you
> send me all the files that make up the dillo website, so I can mirror
> them on so....net?

No. :-)

Not every file. The problem is mainly with Dillo bug-track
engine; it uses a database that's set in 'tonatiuh' server, and I
want to keep it there (Is faster an easier to administrate).
Well, there're several other pages that I can send you, just
let me make absolute links for them.
The other important fact is that if we have sourceforge
mirroring the site, you (or someone else) has to do the sync.
work...

> I will also move the tarball there shortly. 

By now, you already did it; I checked all the links.
Thanks.
(Don't erase download.so....net/dillo/dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz)

> By the I really like the new release. 
> It is very stable.

Good!!!
(Stabilization is one of our main concerns.)

> I am also going to update the CVS shortly.

Don't you hurry.
I'm thinking of setting it locally in 'huallepen'.
Why?
Because so....net is a very slow link form here, the CVS
doesn't generate a big network load, and I have an exclusive
machine to put it on!

Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-04 13:42

Rob,

First of all, welcome aboard!
You were the first to answer the announce, and I already saw
you in the mailing list!
I know our server was down for a couple of hours (or more?),
but it is working now! Please let me know if you were able to
reach it.

> I just saw your announcement on gtk-app-devel. All I can say is, good. It's 
> good to know that someone's picked up gzilla from the dustbin; I hate to think
> that the only modern browsers we have for Linux are commercial ones.

Well, our beloved Dillo is far away from challenging those big
ones, but its speed and anti-bloat design are addictive!
(We'll try to make it render the whole HTML 4.0 before thinking
of extending it. And when I say "render HTML 4.0", I mean to have
the info displayed in a suitable way.)

> I'm a C programmer, familiar with GTK and application development. I currently
> maintain GXAnim (GTK frontend to XAnim movie player) and am very slowly working
> on the Canvas Project, another video-related project. In my spare time I
> work with the Open File Sharing Initiative (napster-esque file transfer) and do
> quite a bit of work with the Openlaw DVD forum at Harvard Law.

Perfect, GUIs and some networking!
May a suggest you take a look at Dillo widget bugs?
We are very concerned of the small pages rendering bug.

> Anyway, I don't know how much time I'll be able to devote here, but I'll put
> my two bits in where I can and throw a piece of code out every so often. Do
> you guys have a CVS of your current source? (I assume so.. you're on
> Sourceforge, right?)

Actually we have, but I'll try to set it up on another server,
not sourceforge (We are half sourceforgers)
When the CVS is set, I'll let you all know. It will work only
as a checkout in the beginning...



Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]problem with urls.

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-04 13:42

Sammy,


On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, nightstalker wrote:

> hi,
> 
> this is a minor thingie ...
> when you enter an url like this:
> http://www.skoardy.demon.co.uk/rlnews
> dillo must put a '/' behind this .. i have already found the place in
> the code
> where it should happen, but i was thinking :

Actually that happens!
Look at the VT screen behind Dillo (Nav_open_url) and you'll
see the URL change.

> how can you know this is a directory ? 

There's no way, that I know, to know that in advance.
If you have " 'hi' can be either a file or a
directory.

> i'm thinking of this :
> i can add a test to see if there are any '.' or '?' in the tail (in this
> example /rlnews) (the ? is for queries which can be without
> a dot but may not get a trailing '/' for example :
> http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&sc=on&hl=on&q=dillo&kl=XX&stype=stext

Sure, there're those URLs too.
I think that a good guess can be done using the last filename:
If it has a '.', most probably it's a dir!
You have to check it for POST or GET or whatever before making
the gess though.
The sure way to proceed is to check the RFC.

> is it possible for a http address to have a '.' in the directory name ?

Yes.


Jorge.- 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Announce

From: <greslin@li...> - 2000-04-03 21:44

On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:56:52PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> Ok, I made the announcement to gtk app devel list,
> Does anyone feel like announcing it to sourceforge news? James? Luca?
> 
> Ah, also updated the website.
> 
> Jorge.-

Hey ho.

I just saw your announcement on gtk-app-devel. All I can say is, good. It's
good to know that someone's picked up gzilla from the dustbin; I hate to think
that the only modern browsers we have for Linux are commercial ones.

I'm a C programmer, familiar with GTK and application development. I currently
maintain GXAnim (GTK frontend to XAnim movie player) and am very slowly working
on the Canvas Project, another video-related project. In my spare time I
work with the Open File Sharing Initiative (napster-esque file transfer) and do
quite a bit of work with the Openlaw DVD forum at Harvard Law.

Anyway, I don't know how much time I'll be able to devote here, but I'll put
my two bits in where I can and throw a piece of code out every so often. Do
you guys have a CVS of your current source? (I assume so.. you're on
Sourceforge, right?)


Rob Warren

email: greslin@li...
homepage: http://www.iag.net/~aleris

GXAnim: http://www.iag.net/~aleris/gxanim.html
The Canvas Project: canvas.linuxpower.org
OpenLaw DVD FAQ: http://www.cssfaq.org 



[Dillo-dev]Announce

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@hu...> - 2000-04-03 21:18

Ok, I made the announcement to gtk app devel list,
Does anyone feel like announcing it to sourceforge news? James? Luca?

Ah, also updated the website.

Jorge.-


--------------------
gtk announce follows
--------------------
Hi there,

I only hope this to be the right place for this announcement; please
don't suggest freshmeat cause Dillo is still alpha code.

Dillo is a gtk+based web browser that's very fast, lean and extensible.
It has its own HTML parsing routines, is written completely in C and the
tarball is just 200Kb! (The stripped binary is also 200Kb).
There's no support for Java, javascript.

We are in need of developers; those of you who feel interested in
this project, or just wnat more info, take a look at

http://academico.inf.utfsm.cl:81/~jcid/Dillo/project.html

you'll find everything there.


Jorge.-
Dillo project maintainer


Ps: Dillo is GPLed! 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Developer release

From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid@em...> - 2000-04-03 13:21

Hi,

On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, nightstalker wrote:

> Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > Today dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz is ready for download. It will be our
> > first public developer release!
> >
> 
> cool !
> 
> >
> > When James finish setting it to on the sourceforge ftp server,
> > I'll add a download link to the home page, announce it to the gtk
> > devel mailing list, and it will be public!
> >
> 
> we can also announce it on freshmeat (freshmeat.net)

Yes, we can, but later...
Why?

1.- Because I need to address server traffic concerns.
Currently the source is in the academico server and also at
ftp://ftp.so....net/pub/sourceforge/dillo/dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz 
The first one is not able to handle a big load, as what could
be generated by a freshmeat announce, and the second one is very
slow and unreliable. This week I'll set up a new server, and
maybe put the source on a ftp port with a maximum concurrent
connection limit. 
The best setting (IMHO) is to have dillo source at:
http://dillo.so....net/dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz
and everything else in the new server.

2.- Because we need more developers, and the gtk mailing list
is a better place to find gtk skilled guys. The freshmeat list
has a broader range, and our release is not ready for users yet.
(Anyway, if the gtk-mailing-list announce fails to bring new
devels. to the project, a freshmeat one will follow quickly!)


Jorge.-


Ps: James, would you mind setting the
http://dillo.so....net/dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz URL? 



[Dillo-dev]bug - incomplete rendering of html

From: nightstalker <nstalkie@tv...> - 2000-04-03 00:02

i have noticed something about this bug (reading small html files can
result
in incomplete displays .. workaround is to hit reload :)

i first ran dillo with the 'nstalkie' user who uses the Aqua gtk-theme.
the bug
occured.
then i ran dillo with the 'progs' user who uses the Cheese gtk-theme.
the bug
also occured BUT in a different way. i had to press reload twice in
order to
view the whole page.

this bug is getting weirder and weirder :)

ns 



[Dillo-dev]problem with urls.

From: nightstalker <nstalkie@tv...> - 2000-04-02 23:15

hi,

this is a minor thingie ...
when you enter an url like this:
http://www.skoardy.demon.co.uk/rlnews
dillo must put a '/' behind this .. i have already found the place in
the code
where it should happen, but i was thinking :

how can you know this is a directory ? i'm thinking of this :
i can add a test to see if there are any '.' or '?' in the tail (in this
example
/rlnews) (the ? is for queries which can be without a dot but may not
get a
trailing '/' for example :
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&sc=on&hl=on&q=dillo&kl=XX&stype=stext

is it possible for a http address to have a '.' in the directory name ?

ns.

ps: yes i'm a roguelike fan :) 



Re: [Dillo-dev]Developer release

From: nightstalker <nstalkie@tv...> - 2000-04-02 21:58

Jorge Arellano Cid wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Today dillo-0.1.0.tar.gz is ready for download. It will be our
> first public developer release!
>

cool !

>
> When James finish setting it to on the sourceforge ftp server,
> I'll add a download link to the home page, announce it to the gtk
> devel mailing list, and it will be public!
>

we can also announce it on freshmeat (freshmeat.net)

>
> Comments are welcomed.
>
> Jorge.-
>
> Pd: Haven't got any feedback on the former release yet :-|
>

i haven't really tried the newest release yet .. (i'll try 0.1.0)
all i saw was that it was good :)

ns.